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| < < | In addition, other operator actions will need to be recorded. If the operator contacts the observer for the top allocation choice, and the observer can't be contacted, this needs to recorded in a machine-readable format, etc. |
| > > | In addition, other operator actions will need to be recorded. If the operator contacts the observer for the top allocation choice, and the observer can't be contacted, this needs to recorded in a machine-readable format, etc. Is having the operator change the users availability to not availabile for that telescope period sufficient? |
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| < < | It seems like we can split the determination of a TP into two parts: the use of the Scheduler Tool, and the actions taken aftwerwards. For instance, the operator may run the Scheduler Tool given a certain endpoint for the next TP, not like the results, and run it again with the TP endpoint changed slightly. |
| > > | It seems like we can split the determination of a TP into two parts: the use of the Scheduler Tool, and the actions taken aftwerwards. For instance, the operator may run the Scheduler Tool given a certain endpoint for the next TP, not like the results, and run it again with the TP endpoint changed slightly. I don't understand the problem that you are trying to solve. I thought one of the goals of the simulation was to run it manually with no Telescope periods specified. The user/operator would see allocations that could be with the current time/LST. Part of the simulation is to determine what information needs to be displayed to enable the user to readily make intelligent choices. KAren has suggested (at least in theory), going through the simulation this way will help us determine the "rules/logic/intellignce" choices. After we determine this, we can then consider putting the login in the DSS Scheduler. |
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| < < | MelindaMello has put togethor a database that contains a pre-observing DSS representation of semester 06A. All of the project metadata discussed in SchedulingData are represented in this database, which currently includes tables for Project, Allocation, and more. See DSSTestDatabase for more details. |
| > > | MelindaMello has put togethor a database that contains a pre-observing DSS representation of semester 06A. Much of the project metadata discussed in SchedulingData are represented in this database, which currently includes tables for Project, Allocation, and more. See DSSTestDatabase for more details on how the data was generated. See DSSTestCode for details on what has been implemented and example queries. |
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| < < | MelindaMello has put togethor a database that contains a pre-observing DSS representation of semester 06A. All of the project metadata discussed in SchedulingMetadata? are represented in this database, which currently includes tables for Project, Allocation, and more. See DSSTestDatabase for more details. |
| > > | MelindaMello has put togethor a database that contains a pre-observing DSS representation of semester 06A. All of the project metadata discussed in SchedulingData are represented in this database, which currently includes tables for Project, Allocation, and more. See DSSTestDatabase for more details. |
| <<O>> Difference Topic DSSSimulations (r1.5 - 30 Nov 2006 - PaulMarganian) |
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| < < | I got pretty confused at yesterdays meeting. It seems like we are on the verge of being able to write software, but we need to figure out a plan of attack. Melinda is querying a [[][test database]] using our [[][selection rules]] with some assumed inputs (like Weather Grade) and displaying the results as plots of the resultant allocations. This is very cool (to use a technical term), but she keeps asking a question which I can't answer: "how should these results be formatted or displayed?". That lead to me (us?) asking, 'what do these results tell us'? I still can't answer that question, so I'm now trying to back up and ask: 'what are the final tests that we want to make'? |
| > > | I got pretty confused at yesterdays meeting. It seems like we are on the verge of being able to write software, but we need to figure out a plan of attack. Melinda is querying a test database using our selection rules with some assumed inputs (like Weather Grade) and displaying the results as plots of the resultant allocations. This is very cool (to use a technical term), but she keeps asking a question which I can't answer: "how should these results be formatted or displayed?". That lead to me (us?) asking, 'what do these results tell us'? I still can't answer that question, so I'm now trying to back up and ask: 'what are the final tests that we want to make'? |
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| > > | It seems like most of the necessary input can be simulated. Note that all of the below mentioned should be predetermined, as in entries in a database. One of the reasons to not use 'randomized at run-time' inputs would be that our simulations would be deterministic: if the same operator decisions were made using the same inputs, then the resultant schedule for the semester should be the same. |
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| > > | This is one of the main inputs used for creating a list of canidate allocations at the start of a Telescope Period. For our simulations, we can use a combination of real historical wind speeds, historical forecasts for Tsys, and other factors if need be. |
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| < < | We can simulate the wind using real wind data from the past. See [[][NOAA Forecasts]] for more details. |
| > > | We can simulate the wind using real wind data from the past. See NOAA Forecasts for more details on the existing software for pulling up sampler2log data. |
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| < < | We have no real data for Tsys, but we can create tables of predicted Tsys (0-12 hours old) for the past to use for simulations. This would mean using cleo forecasts to write out the results to a file, and then dumping the Tsys Average values into a database table to use for the simulations. |
| > > | We have no real data for Tsys, but we can create tables of predicted Tsys (0-12 hours old) for the past to use for simulations. This would mean using cleo forecasts to write out the results to a file, and then dumping the Tsys Average values into a database table to use for the simulations. See TsysPredictions for more info. |
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| > > | All the raw data form the NOAA forecasts are available to us in a database. Again, see NOAA Forecasts for more details. |
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| > > | PRM - I think I agree with Karen's comment about ignoring this factor when doing fully automated simulations (see discussion below on Process). And I think that this is also what Karen means, but let me try and reword it. It would be good, if the simulation were not in automated mode, to be able to let the operator input additional weather info (looking out the window, or at the radar screen). In this way, we could see the affect of the operator overriding what the forecasts may be predicting for the weather. |
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| > > | PRM - I agree with this statement in regards to maintancence days and commissioning runs. And for regular activities, like receiver swapping, this should also be straightforward. My concerns were mostly about simulating hardware failures. It's easy enough to make up stuff, like saying the Spectrometer was out for 2 days in the third week of the semester, but how do we make sure that the sum of all these breakdowns is realistic for a semester. Probably not a huge deal though. |
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| < < | The operator is the human being who will be making many decsisions at the beginning of each TP. A true test of the system would include a human operator - another words we won't want to simulate this person. However, as I'll discuss below, we may want to try simulating the operators desicions for other reasons. |
| > > | The operator is the human being who will be making many decsisions at the beginning of each TP. A true test of the system would include a human operator - another words we won't want to simulate this person. However, as I'll discuss below, we may want to try simulating the operators desicions for other reasons. With the Operator simulated, we could run fully automated simulations. |
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How would these simulations actually run? Below I try and flesh that out. I first propose the running of simulation in two different modes (automated vs. manual), then I discuss the actual steps in running the simulation.
Automated Vs. Manual SimulationsIt seems to me, and from Karen's comments, that being able to run the simulations in two different modes would be very useful. Automated simulations would be very fast and would provide deterministic results, while manual simulations provide us a means of seeing the affects of human decisions.Manual Simulations: someone gets to play Operator |
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| < < | So, it would take about 2 weeks for one person to simulate an entire semester. Eventually, I think we'll want to do this. But we could speed things up by 'simulating' the operator: the operator always picks the top priority allocation, the user can always be contacted, the TP is shrunk or extending appropriately, and we just let the simulation run until an error is encountered that requires human intervention. This might be a quick and dirty way of running tests, though won't be as valuable. But it would be valuable if we can do this for a period of time, then go back to full interaction mode, and be able to switch back and forth like that. E.g. We could the simulation for a trimester in automatic mode and then look and see where an operator's decision coul dhav been valuable or could have changed things. Then we re-reun the simulation for the first, say, month, go into non-automatic mode and make some selesctions that were different thaen the automatic mode, then go back into automatic mode for awhile. A system like this could be very valuable. - KarenONeil |
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By inserting a human being at the point in the simulation, we can see the affects of all the decisions and actions taken by the Operator. These actions include, but aren't limited to:
Automated Simulations: simulating the OperatorWe could speed things up by 'simulating' the operator: the operator always picks the top priority allocation, the user can always be contacted, the TP is shrunk or extending appropriately, and we just let the simulation run until an error is encountered that requires human intervention. This might be a quick and dirty way of running tests. But it also provides a means for creating deterministic simulations. If consistent rules are used for the simulated operator, and whatever human intervention is recorded, then, along with the other simulated inputs, there seems no reason why the same initial conditions (inputs) should not yield the same results (the final semesters schedule). But it would be valuable if we can do this for a period of time, then go back to full interaction mode, and be able to switch back and forth like that. E.g. We could do the simulation for a trimester in automatic mode and then look and see where an operator's decision could have been valuable or could have changed things. Then we re-reun the simulation for the first, say, month, go into non-automatic mode and make some selesctions that were different thaen the automatic mode, then go back into automatic mode for awhile. A system like this could be very valuable. - KarenONeil Yes, I agree with Karen's idea above. The use of Automated Mode gives us the ability to 'create' a semester in progress. |
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Let me explain more fully what I meant here. It seems to me that it would be valuable not to overwrite previous simulations (unless you explicity need/want to). In other words, after I run the simulation for an entire semester, I have altered the fields in many of the pre-observing tables in the database, and created large amounts of records on how the semesters schedule was derived. This all serves as a record of the 'experiment', and may need to be archived for further analysis in the future.
So, all I'm trying to propose here is that every new simulation starts off with it's own pre-observing database. This could simply be a copy of the database that Melinda is working on right now (DSSTestDatabase), or we could get more sophisticated (not sure this is necessary). In this way, we simply avoid overwriting our results.
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| > > | So, if the above is the final goal, what can we do now to get there? Here we need I think to understand the full list of software which we believe we will be using, and then we can break down that list into what we should simulate first. -- KarenONeil |
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| > > | What about the fact that when deciding the next TP, an operator may use all of the above weather inputs, but may also look out the window or at the radar to make their decision. Is this also something that should/could be simulated? It seems to me that we want to ignore that for our simulations. Instead, what would be interesting is to see how often the window or radar images give us information that contradicts the predicted/measured weather -Main.KarenONeil |
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| < < | We need to simulate when maintanence days want to be scheduled (put them in as fixed windows). This should be easy. What about commissioning? |
| > > | We need to simulate when maintanence days want to be scheduled (put them in as fixed windows). This should be easy. What about commissioning? This should be straightforward as well. We can always pull one of the old commissioning schedules off the wiki if we want, or make it up. -Main.KarenONeil |
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Simulation OutputsAs the simulation progresses, a number of data points will need to be tracked. Many of the things that need to be recorded during simulation will also need to be tracked in the production system.
Telescope Period Decision TrackingFor both simulations, and in the production system, it will be desirable to look back at a certain Telescope Period and understand how the decision was made to run a particular allocation. What would be sufficient to answer this question? One easy enough thing to do is save off the inputs and outputs of the Scheduler Tool. Some of these inputs would be 'snapshots' of current conditions (telescope state, weather, etc.). The outputs would at least include the prioitized canidate allocations the tool presented to the operator. But how much more info about the Allocations? It seems like the Allocation variables that change should be listed here, like percent complete. But this could be a slippery slope. How do you track change in the database? In addition, other operator actions will need to be recorded. If the operator contacts the observer for the top allocation choice, and the observer can't be contacted, this needs to recorded in a machine-readable format, etc. It seems like we can split the determination of a TP into two parts: the use of the Scheduler Tool, and the actions taken aftwerwards. For instance, the operator may run the Scheduler Tool given a certain endpoint for the next TP, not like the results, and run it again with the TP endpoint changed slightly. So, with the above discussion, what would the necessary tables look like?Classical Telescope ScheduleAgain, for both simulations and production, one thing that will be desirable during and after a semester is the ability to view what has been run so far in the format of what is called a 'classical schedule'. This should be easy enough. Given our current terminology, two different tables could be written to: |
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| < < | Below is essentially a proposal for a framework of simulations of the DSS before the Sep. 2007 test time. Karen brought up the point that the production system will need a simulation mode as well (as most SDD software products have), but I'm not trying to address this issue in particular, though it should be kept in mind during design of the SDD |
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DSS Simulations
IntroductionI got pretty confused at yesterdays meeting. It seems like we are on the verge of being able to write software, but we need to figure out a plan of attack. Melinda is querying a [[][test database]] using our [[][selection rules]] with some assumed inputs (like Weather Grade) and displaying the results as plots of the resultant allocations. This is very cool (to use a technical term), but she keeps asking a question which I can't answer: "how should these results be formatted or displayed?". That lead to me (us?) asking, 'what do these results tell us'? I still can't answer that question, so I'm now trying to back up and ask: 'what are the final tests that we want to make'? I've started this wiki page as just a scratch pad for figuring out what kind of tests, or simulations, we want to be able to run before the Sep. 2007 test time. Perhaps if we can clearly define these, then we can determine the intermediate tests we want to run in the short term (now), and answer questions like the ones stated above. Below is essentially a proposal for a framework of simulations of the DSS before the Sep. 2007 test time. Karen brought up the point that the production system will need a simulation mode as well (as most SDD software products have), but I'm not trying to address this issue in particular, though it should be kept in mind during design of the SDDGoalsThe main goal before the Sep. 2007 test time would be to simulate entire Semesters using Dynamic Scheduling Algorithms and see:
Simulation InputsIt seems like most of the necessary input can be simulatedProjectsSee DSSTestDatabase Still need to create User Info:
WeatherWindWe can simulate the wind using real wind data from the past. See [[][NOAA Forecasts]] for more details.TsysWe have no real data for Tsys, but we can create tables of predicted Tsys (0-12 hours old) for the past to use for simulations. This would mean using cleo forecasts to write out the results to a file, and then dumping the Tsys Average values into a database table to use for the simulations.NOAA Forecast DataAgain, see [[][NOAA Forecasts]] for more details.Additional FactorsWhat about the fact that when deciding the next TP, an operator may use all of the above weather inputs, but may also look out the window or at the radar to make their decision. Is this also something that should/could be simulated?Thermal Transition BoundraiesThis can easily be determined from the sunrise/sunset times for a given date.Telescope StateIt seems like we could simulate the state of the telescope for a given semester: another words, when were certain receivers up or down. Or when did the Spectrometer break and how long did it take to fix it? Did the telephone lines go down for a day (not that that would ever happen). But how to do this? Might mean a lot of trolling through operator logs or the resource calendar.ActivitiesWe need to simulate when maintanence days want to be scheduled (put them in as fixed windows). This should be easy. What about commissioning?RFII was feeling good about everything until I remembered this. How do we simulate a semesters worth of RFI? I imagine we need something that tells us 'from this time to this time there was bad RFI in this band, badly affecting these lines'. Even if this is good enough, how can we create it? Are there records from previous semesters we can view?OperatorThe operator is the human being who will be making many decsisions at the beginning of each TP. A true test of the system would include a human operator - another words we won't want to simulate this person. However, as I'll discuss below, we may want to try simulating the operators desicions for other reasons.ProcessIt seems to me that a good test of the DSS would be for the user of the simulation to be acting as Operator in 'condensed time' for an entire semester: a decision is made for the next TP, that TP elapses in 'condensed time' rather then in real time, and the Operator has to decide again for the next TP, and so on until the semester ends. Is this practical? Well, how many TPs would have to be decided? 4 months * 28 days * 24 hours / 4 hours per TP = 672 Telescope Periods If the operator takes about 5 minutes per decision, then: 672 * 5 = 3360 minutes = 56 hours = ~1.5 FTE weeks. So, it would take about 2 weeks for one person to simulate an entire semester. Eventually, I think we'll want to do this. But we could speed things up by 'simulating' the operator: the operator always picks the top priority allocation, the user can always be contacted, the TP is shrunk or extending appropriately, and we just let the simulation run until an error is encountered that requires human intervention. This might be a quick and dirty way of running tests, though won't be as valuable.
I. Simulation InitializationII. Decide next Telescope PeriodIII. View ReportsWhat reports are these? Whatever help us answer the questions posed in the Goals section above. These don't need to be the pretty web pages that are required for the production system, just something that displayes information adequately to answer the questions. Example:Software Suite ElementsWhat needs to be implemented in the Software Suite to support these simulations, what can be ignored, and what is needed that is not specified there (either as 'throw away' software, or as part of future production code).Intermediate Steps-- PaulMarganian - 29 Nov 2006 |
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